Coming to Japan for first time

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Coming to Japan for first time in my life. I know it's quite different that here in Europe and not just snow. So what to expect? Anything that we need to know and not to do? Is normal food more expensive than here in europe(although I live in Finland which is one of the most expensive countries in world)? When you cook by yourself, how cheap can you get one meal? I mean cheapass food like tuna and pasta. trying to figure out how much money do we need for food and stuff.

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Hey Ville - compared to

Hey Ville - compared to Finland, countryside and ski resort Japan is reasonably cheap. I seldom eat out and cant afford to party, but live really well on 1500 yen/$15 for food and a beer each day and a group all putting in 10 bucks each will be even better. I have been doing that for 8 months. I get by fine I need to eat a lot of fuel in winter as well. I also cook my own bc/touring food as I cant afford convenience store snacks each day. Alcohol is quite cheap, and if you just want to get pissed you can buy 4 litres of local liquor for about $30. A rice cooker will help you - but that depends on where you stay. When you arrive try and get someone to take you to the supermarket to give you the low-down what to buy and how to use it. It will work out cheaper than trying to cook like you cook at home, and the supermarket will be a bit confusing so like I did when I came here years ago for the first time - you end up just buying familiar stuff at a bad price. Dont get me wrong, it isn't that confusing: If you want to eat like shit, you can always just buy pasta and canned meat sauce. It would be cheap, but it would suck.

Lift tickets are cheap - $40 a day is the most you will pay, less if you buy longer term/combo tickets.

What not to do: don't be loud or aggro in Japan. Don't swear at the top of your voice (you wouldn't anyway, that's a Oz/US/Canadian habit). If you want to make friends with Japanese locals then talk less, be a quieter guy, breath and listen more (westerners talk too much in their opinion).

Bring beacon etc and pack for powder.

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db wrote:Hey Ville -

db wrote:
Hey Ville - compared to Finland, countryside and ski resort Japan is reasonably cheap. I seldom eat out and cant afford to party, but live really well on 1500 yen/$15 for food and a beer each day and a group all putting in 10 bucks each will be even better. I have been doing that for 8 months. I get by fine I need to eat a lot of fuel in winter as well. I also cook my own bc/touring food as I cant afford convenience store snacks each day. Alcohol is quite cheap, and if you just want to get pissed you can buy 4 litres of local liquor for about $30. A rice cooker will help you - but that depends on where you stay. When you arrive try and get someone to take you to the supermarket to give you the low-down what to buy and how to use it. It will work out cheaper than trying to cook like you cook at home, and the supermarket will be a bit confusing so like I did when I came here years ago for the first time - you end up just buying familiar stuff at a bad price. Dont get me wrong, it isn't that confusing: If you want to eat like shit, you can always just buy pasta and canned meat sauce. It would be cheap, but it would suck.

Lift tickets are cheap - $40 a day is the most you will pay, less if you buy longer term/combo tickets.

What not to do: don't be loud or aggro in Japan. Don't swear at the top of your voice (you wouldn't anyway, that's a Oz/US/Canadian habit). If you want to make friends with Japanese locals then talk less, be a quieter guy, breath and listen more (westerners talk too much in their opinion).

Bring beacon etc and pack for powder.

--db (Hohes on tgr)

We will be staying at Fattwins lodge for January and February. So I think we're set for cooking gear and stuff. Good to know that food will be cheap, i've used to eat cheap food. It's pretty hard to manage to get money for whole season and still do my studies. But I have done it 4 winters now, so getting pretty good at it Smiling But now that there's 3 of us, I think we can eat also something fresh, not just canned stuff.

For tickets I think we're taking Happo One season ticket, that will be probably cheapest way?

Sounds like we're going to get a long with locals just fine, since they have to talk more than we finns do Smiling

We're used to always carry avygear, since we don't have that kind inbounds policy as americans. I've understood that it's same in Happo One, you can ski where you want?

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Happo One has quite liberal

Happo One has quite liberal out of bounds policy that is more like Europe than like America.

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Ville wrote:Sounds like

Ville wrote:
Sounds like we're going to get a long with locals just fine, since they have to talk more than we finns do Smiling

The have met 2 Finns in my life both rarely spoke and almost never smiled, they were rippers though. I'm sure you will enjoy your time in Haks. It usually only disappoints the ignorant.

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you pick-up line for the

you pick-up line for the ladies:

Anata wa abazure on'na desu.

They'll melt in your lap. Eye-wink

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Samurai wrote:you pick-up

Samurai wrote:
you pick-up line for the ladies:

Anata wa abazure on'na desu.

They'll melt in your lap. Eye-wink

or give you a nice slap Eye-wink

I prefer

yarashite Smiling

short and simple

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Finns should do well in

Finns should do well in Japan. The ones I have met (all in Chamonix) have always been relaxed, honest and calm. Some Finns gave us a ride back in their van once (after a tour from Chamonix that leaves you a fair way from the start in Switzerland, with a bus ride to get home). They were decent people.

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Ok, this sounds good It's

Ok, this sounds good Smiling It's going to be a great trip. We just booked flights, we'll be on Japan ground 11th of January and head back 10th of March. Pretty stoked. We'll be flying to Osaka, any tips for travelling from Osaka to Hakuba?

And I just bought Salomon X-Wing Lab's to mount up with Dukes Smiling I think I will do just fine there with these and my Praxis Powders? Damn airline weight regulations won't allow me to take my monoski with me.

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I am surprised the airline

I am surprised the airline will even let you take 2 skis. If you can get x-wing's and powders on board with no charge you will be sorted.

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From Osaka, take the Sanyo

From Osaka, take the Sanyo Shinkansen to Nagoya. At Nagoya, take the Chuo limited express. This train goes direct to Hakuba Station and takes approximately four and a half hours.

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Dude...you are sooo gonna

Dude...you are sooo gonna love japan. If you dont,then there is something really,really wrong with you...

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Few quickies :
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-About everything is 10-30% cheaper in jap than in fin. 
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-Supermarkets in hakuba were quite well stocked even by finnish standards. Prices were ok even if the supermercados are in the "resort".
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-People will stare at you and check out how badly you fail at any given task,ia like trying to buy a subway ticket..
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-Check out the hotel before you march in and say "one long night" in japanese. It might be a love hotel and you might get fistfull of condoms instead of chocolate.
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-You will fall in love about 75 times/h with japanese women. Especially with the freaky chicks in osaka.
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-You will feel really,really outsiderish as you can understand a shit and everything is like from a movie. A weird one.
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-The food is the in the world.Period.
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-You will feel at home in the onsens.The culture is like in a finish sauna  :Shut up and relax.
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-The japanese are very helpfull in general,but a bit shy. Actually quite many speak english if you are fucked and dont speak japanese,they just are a bit worried about loosing their "face". Just treat them like people from northern finland and you will get along very well.
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-Finns will look like sober boyscouts compared to many japanese when it comes to alcohol. Evening in osaka is quite wild eve by 18 a clock... Passed out salarymen in the alleys,puking competitions and general shitfaceness. It is like finnish midsomer festival x 2. Mornings in the subway were especilly funny...
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-Be reserved in what the japanese promise. They are honest and nice, but they might tell you "yes,it is sorted,everything is fine, all ok" even if isnt. It might because they dont understand what you have said or you have put them against the wall and want to save their face.
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-From osaka to hakuba take the shinkansen.Fast,funny and convinient.There was 1 or 2 train changes in the hakuba end but it is very simple.
 If you want to save a LOT of energy use the transport services for your bags (ta kubing?). Being lost in the osaka subway with skibags+backpacks+duffelbags is a quite nice "Hell SimulatorTM".... Not recommended.
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-You will be very conscious of you stinking-pig-smell all the time. Use deo.
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-Oh,did I remember to say: you will practically giggle constantly for the first few days because everything is so awesome and weird.
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The was few "observations" from a few week trip to hakuba couple of winters ago. I take no responsibility of the correctness of the said statements... Smiling
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Pity that we will not meet there , I will fly in to hakuba on 20thdec and leave on 5th jan..Damn...
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That sounds so good

That sounds so good Smiling Although you're leaving there too early, well you need to come to ski at Riksgränsen in spring.

So where we can get that "transport services for your bags (ta kubing?)"? Do we need to make some kind of reservation before or just walk some place and tell them that we need to get our stuff to hakuba?

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Ville wrote:

Ville wrote:

That sounds so good Smiling Although you're leaving there too early, well you need to come to ski at Riksgränsen in spring.

So where we can get that "transport services for your bags (ta kubing?)"? Do we need to make some kind of reservation before or just walk some place and tell them that we need to get our stuff to hakuba?

I think theese poahninjas can help more than me,but I have (somewhere) a name for a company that does the transporting for the hakuba area. The company(ies) is usually near the arrivals, at least it was in osaka narita airport. Just go and ask about the "takubing" ,or whatever the correct pronounciation is, they should sort it out. If I remeber right,the price couple of years ago was something like 20-30€ and it took about a day. 
Soooooo worth the money! At least it would have been,have we realized it...
And dont say that we wont meet in hakuba! Planning to come there second time in middle of february for two weeks if everything get sorted out...
And riksgränsen/lofoten is sooo much in agenda in the spring as well!
Damn I am pining for the winter. And fjords.
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Edit: And no,you dont need any kind of reservation for it. Just go for the counter and state the destination for your baggages,ia your lodging in hakuba. 
Damn,this site is annoying with the lack of reaction for Enter...everything gets clogged up...Am I missing something here?
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Ville - its called

Ville - its called Takkyubin, or "black cat", which is the logo to look for (black cat in a yellow oval).  When you collect you bags and leave customs, look for the parcel baggage services, there are several counters lined up.  Make sure you have your address with you and get Yen cash before you leave home, dont wait till you get to the airport in Japan - it can be a hassle.  The delivery service is reliable and despite language problems they will totally understand what you want to do.  You wont be the first foreigner to want his ski gear delivered to hakuba in winter.

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Kuro neko is black cat and

Kuro neko is black cat and is just one of many takyubin companies (Yamato Transport).  There is also the pelican and the kagaroo (Nippon Express and Seino Transport). 

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